I beginning to agree with this statement. What's not to say that ON Networks is just throwing you a bone for a couple more episodes just to end your talks with GT or Screw Attack?
Once they know you're no longer in talks with the other networks, ON Networks will then once again pull the plug on the show after a couple more episodes.
Jeremiah, Screw Attack has shown legitimate interest in the show while ON Networks has shown you what they really think of the show. I would continue talks with Screw Attack and Game Trailers with the hopes of taking the show there. Only re-up the show with ON Networks if every other option falls through.
That's good...but don't get your hopes up too high. Until it's official, it would be wise to lower your expectations.
I'm sure there are many variables that go into setting up a show like this that we are unfamiliar with, so temper your expectations and you won't be so let down should the outcome not be to our liking.
Hope for the best, expect the worst is really what I'm trying to say. I'm hoping this show gets picked up as much as you are. But I don't plan to get all excited until I see an official statement to that end.
Come on guys. Don't be dicks to the guy. He's probably just stumbled upon the show and wants to see more episodes like we do. The more fans the show has, the better chance it has of being picked up elsewhere.
On Networks canned the show (as of right now, this was the final episode) so Jeremiah is shopping the show around to other sites to see if any of them are interested in picking it up for additional episodes.
Play Value has finished its run at On Networks. Right now, what you see is what you get. No more new episodes here.
The producer of Play Value is in talks with several other sites with the hopes of taking the show to a new home. Stay tuned for further updates (and read all the posts below for further details).
As far as I know, there is no way to "send him a message."
There is no e-mail listed. There is no private message system. He has no personal website (that I can find). The only way to contact him that I am aware of is by leaving a comment here and hoping that he reads it.
I would love for GT to pick up the show (obviously), but I'm sure there are many, many variables that go into making decisions such as these (some of which he mentioned in his e-mail to me, but like I said earlier, I'm not going to copy paste a private e-mail here).
I received a response from Brandon over at Game Trailers. I sent him a message a couple weeks ago telling him about Play Value and Jeremiah's "plight."
I'm not going to copy paste the response, but I will mention that he did say that he likes the show and he plans to speak with the "higher-ups" over at Game Trailers to see if there's any interest in them picking up the show.
SO JEREMIAH, IF YOU SERIOUSLY WANT TO CONSIDER CONTINUING PLAY VALUE YOU SHOULD CONTACT BRANDON AT GAME TRAILERS (HE'S TALKING ABOUT OFFICIAL CONTENT, NOT SOME USER VIDEO).
You can send him a private message to Brandon via his user page on their site:
He read the e-mail last night according to their message system, so GameTrailers is now aware of the show. Whether that does anything is anybody's guess, but at least they know the show exists.
Play Value fans, you can contact the head of GameTrailers on his user site here: http://brandon.gametrailers.com/gamepad/ and let him know about this great program. Maybe GameTrailers will consider picking up Play value for their site.
I've been a fan of GameTrailers for quite some time now because of the high quality of programming on the site. I don't know about your official process to seek out new officially sanctioned programs for the site, but I figured I'd send this your way.
Over on a site called ONNetworks there is a show called Play Value. They are professional quality HD videos, about 8-10 minutes in length each of which discuss a small piece of history of the video game industry in an entertaining, non-technical format that everyone can enjoy.
About two months ago the site dropped the show from their lineup after two seasons and the producer, Jeremiah Black (http://www.onnetworks.com/user/1449) is looking for a new home for the show.
I think his show would be a great addition to the GameTrailers lineup. Please, go take a look at his work (at the link at the top of the page) and let me know what you think. Jeremiah checks back on the comments section of the latest video every so often and replies to user comments which is the only way to get in touch with him, as far as I know.
I have nothing financially to gain from this. I'm just a fan looking to see this excellent show continued on one of my favorite gaming sites, GameTrailers.
Can you please try to work out in the final deal (if and when it comes to pass) that the new episodes are still downloadable in HD (just like the old episodes are right now).
The flash player size is nice for a quick viewing, but its nice to be able to hook the laptop up to the TV and watch the videos full screen in good quality.
Notice that during the intro of every show when it introduces Jeff and the rest of the cast it says he's from College Humor. It's been like that since episode 1 of Play Value.
Jeremiah...is there any place to download these shows in a NON-Apple format. iTunes just gives us that Apple TV format which is useless for most of us. Is there anyway to get these shows in Windows Media or AVI format?
Sorry to hear they gave you (and indirectly, us) the boot. This was the best show on ON Networks. I've already sent them several e-mails and let them know how I felt.
Please everyone, send e-mails to the staff of this site and let them know how you feel (be nice!).
We may not pay for the show with money, but we certainly are allowing ON Networks earn money by watching it. They make money from ad revenue, not subscription fees (just like broadcast television...wouldn't you be pissed if ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX decided to not run your favorite show one night "just because?"). If we didn't watch their programming they wouldn't be able to sell ad space on their site.
See that "Presented by Xbox 360" at the top of the page? Microsoft paid for that spot because they know you and I (and thousands of people like us) will see that ad. ON Networks can sell ad space on their site because (and only because) we watch their shows.
So yes, we don't pay a fee to watch the show. However ON Networks is most certainly making money from our viewership.
Where the hell is this new episode. It's been a week a and a half since it was submitted. As much as I love this show, I'm somewhat glad this is the last episode so we don't have to deal with the ON Networks BS anymore.
I just dropped a quick note to whomever receives the e-mail for this website. I doubt it will help if I just do it, but if many of us send them similar messages it might have some impact.
"Can you please renew Jeremiah Black's contract so he can continue to create this fabulous show (the best show found at ON Networks, I might add)? It would be a big disappointment to the fans of the show if ON Networks dropped it from the lineup.
1: Hey...you snooze you lose. If those interviewees wanted to be included in this popular show they should've sent their stuff in by now. To heck with them. If they won't send their material in on time then they don't deserve to be featured in your show.
2: How can WE help convince On Networks to renew your contract (other than continuing to spread the word about this show, that is)?
Thanks Jeremiah. We can live with delays. We all understand that. What we found really irritating is the fact we were completely ignored for about 6 weeks.
If you're going to experience another delay, please just come on here and tell us as opposed to just leaving us hanging for weeks on end.
Maybe that's because I don't appreciate being lied to. Free or not, it's inconsiderate to lie to people and string them along endlessly.
Maybe you should be grateful for all the complaining. Had we just kept our mouths shut it's entirely possible they would've just dropped the show. By voicing our opinions (which everyone is entitled to, BTW) it shows that this show has a fanbase and we really enjoy the program.
Everyone, please go to this address and send ONNetworks a quick message asking what's going on with this show. It's the simple fill-in form on the contact page.
Maybe then someone will reply to us and tell us what's going on.
I agree. Jeremiah, if you want to end the series just tell us. Don't keep telling us that you'll put out more episodes when you have no intention of doing so.
We'll of course be upset if you end the show, as it is one of the best available on the subject. If you're going to end the show please tell us, don't just blow us off.
I agree...I'm getting tired of coming here to see that nothing has changed. We're coming up on two months since the last episode was posted.
I hope Jeremiah is still alive and well. It seems like he was just hoping to quietly end the show and hoping no one would notice. If you're ending the show Jeremiah, just tell us. Please don't string us along like this.
It doesn't cost one penny for Jeremiah (or anyone associated with this show really) to come on here and tell us if they are having problems. There is no need to be specific if he doesn't want to be. To COMPLETELY IGNORE us is just plain inconsiderate.
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
I beginning to agree with this statement. What's not to say that ON Networks is just throwing you a bone for a couple more episodes just to end your talks with GT or Screw Attack?
Once they know you're no longer in talks with the other networks, ON Networks will then once again pull the plug on the show after a couple more episodes.
Jeremiah, Screw Attack has shown legitimate interest in the show while ON Networks has shown you what they really think of the show. I would continue talks with Screw Attack and Game Trailers with the hopes of taking the show there. Only re-up the show with ON Networks if every other option falls through.
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
That's good...but don't get your hopes up too high. Until it's official, it would be wise to lower your expectations.
I'm sure there are many variables that go into setting up a show like this that we are unfamiliar with, so temper your expectations and you won't be so let down should the outcome not be to our liking.
Hope for the best, expect the worst is really what I'm trying to say. I'm hoping this show gets picked up as much as you are. But I don't plan to get all excited until I see an official statement to that end.
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Well, I really hope that GameTrailers and/or ScrewAttack can come through for Jeremiah and all the fans of this great show.
If not, at least we can all be satisfied that we did everything that we could to keep the show alive.
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Come on guys. Don't be dicks to the guy. He's probably just stumbled upon the show and wants to see more episodes like we do. The more fans the show has, the better chance it has of being picked up elsewhere.
On Networks canned the show (as of right now, this was the final episode) so Jeremiah is shopping the show around to other sites to see if any of them are interested in picking it up for additional episodes.
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Ugh...disregard. That was supposed to go below Jeremiah's update.
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Thanks for the update.
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Thanks for the update.Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Oh, and just as a time-stamp...this message was posted on January 8, 2009.
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Maybe the fact that you are in talks to move the show elsewhere caused On to give up and just renew the show.
Oh, and how about a free dinner for aerocheder and myself. :-)
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
I left him a comment about 3 months ago on one of the videos and that same video is still the most recent.
So, based on that I would venture to guess the answer to your question is "no."
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Yes he is.
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
GT has direct download links for multiple formats of all their original content. Very convenient.
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Hello and welcome,
Play Value has finished its run at On Networks. Right now, what you see is what you get. No more new episodes here.
The producer of Play Value is in talks with several other sites with the hopes of taking the show to a new home. Stay tuned for further updates (and read all the posts below for further details).
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Direct download links would be even better (not an iTunes fan). :)
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Same here. :-)
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
I hope something works out for the show.
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
You must be psychic. :O
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
As far as I know, there is no way to "send him a message."
There is no e-mail listed. There is no private message system. He has no personal website (that I can find). The only way to contact him that I am aware of is by leaving a comment here and hoping that he reads it.
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Don't get your hopes up too high.
I would love for GT to pick up the show (obviously), but I'm sure there are many, many variables that go into making decisions such as these (some of which he mentioned in his e-mail to me, but like I said earlier, I'm not going to copy paste a private e-mail here).
All we can do is hope for the best.
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Hello All,
I received a response from Brandon over at Game Trailers. I sent him a message a couple weeks ago telling him about Play Value and Jeremiah's "plight."
I'm not going to copy paste the response, but I will mention that he did say that he likes the show and he plans to speak with the "higher-ups" over at Game Trailers to see if there's any interest in them picking up the show.
SO JEREMIAH, IF YOU SERIOUSLY WANT TO CONSIDER CONTINUING PLAY VALUE YOU SHOULD CONTACT BRANDON AT GAME TRAILERS (HE'S TALKING ABOUT OFFICIAL CONTENT, NOT SOME USER VIDEO).
You can send him a private message to Brandon via his user page on their site:
http://brandon.gametrailers.com/gamepad/
Hope this helps.
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
He read the e-mail last night according to their message system, so GameTrailers is now aware of the show. Whether that does anything is anybody's guess, but at least they know the show exists.
Play Value fans, you can contact the head of GameTrailers on his user site here: http://brandon.gametrailers.com/gamepad/ and let him know about this great program. Maybe GameTrailers will consider picking up Play value for their site.
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Well, I sent the following message to the guy that started GameTrailers:
http://www.onnetworks.com/videos/play-value
Hi Brandon,
I've been a fan of GameTrailers for quite some time now because of the high quality of programming on the site. I don't know about your official process to seek out new officially sanctioned programs for the site, but I figured I'd send this your way.
Over on a site called ONNetworks there is a show called Play Value. They are professional quality HD videos, about 8-10 minutes in length each of which discuss a small piece of history of the video game industry in an entertaining, non-technical format that everyone can enjoy.
About two months ago the site dropped the show from their lineup after two seasons and the producer, Jeremiah Black (http://www.onnetworks.com/user/1449) is looking for a new home for the show.
I think his show would be a great addition to the GameTrailers lineup. Please, go take a look at his work (at the link at the top of the page) and let me know what you think. Jeremiah checks back on the comments section of the latest video every so often and replies to user comments which is the only way to get in touch with him, as far as I know.
I have nothing financially to gain from this. I'm just a fan looking to see this excellent show continued on one of my favorite gaming sites, GameTrailers.
Thanks
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Jeremiah,
Can you please try to work out in the final deal (if and when it comes to pass) that the new episodes are still downloadable in HD (just like the old episodes are right now).
The flash player size is nice for a quick viewing, but its nice to be able to hook the laptop up to the TV and watch the videos full screen in good quality.
Thanks again for the continuing updates.
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Well, I sent a message to the guy who created GameTrailers. He read it. We'll see if there's any response.
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Have you considered selling the show to another site such as GameTrailers?
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Notice that during the intro of every show when it introduces Jeff and the rest of the cast it says he's from College Humor. It's been like that since episode 1 of Play Value.
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Jeremiah...is there any place to download these shows in a NON-Apple format. iTunes just gives us that Apple TV format which is useless for most of us. Is there anyway to get these shows in Windows Media or AVI format?
Sorry to hear they gave you (and indirectly, us) the boot. This was the best show on ON Networks. I've already sent them several e-mails and let them know how I felt.
Please everyone, send e-mails to the staff of this site and let them know how you feel (be nice!).
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Nevermind. Apparently the video is just mislabeled in the title.
Thanks Jeremiah. Best Wishes.
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Thanks, but where is the "modding" episode?
Play Value - College Dreams- the story of General Computer
Thanks!
Play Value - Mine!...Gaming and Copyright
They posted an "extended cut" of the "gaming and copyright" episode today. I thought the new episode was supposed to be about modding?
Play Value - Mine!...Gaming and Copyright
We may not pay for the show with money, but we certainly are allowing ON Networks earn money by watching it. They make money from ad revenue, not subscription fees (just like broadcast television...wouldn't you be pissed if ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX decided to not run your favorite show one night "just because?"). If we didn't watch their programming they wouldn't be able to sell ad space on their site.
See that "Presented by Xbox 360" at the top of the page? Microsoft paid for that spot because they know you and I (and thousands of people like us) will see that ad. ON Networks can sell ad space on their site because (and only because) we watch their shows.
So yes, we don't pay a fee to watch the show. However ON Networks is most certainly making money from our viewership.
Play Value - Mine!...Gaming and Copyright
What did you find out Jeremiah? Why is ON Networks holding your work hostage?
Play Value - Mine!...Gaming and Copyright
Please report back here when you do. We appreciate everything that you do Jeremiah (ON Networks...not so much).
Play Value - Mine!...Gaming and Copyright
Where the hell is this new episode. It's been a week a and a half since it was submitted. As much as I love this show, I'm somewhat glad this is the last episode so we don't have to deal with the ON Networks BS anymore.
Play Value - Mine!...Gaming and Copyright
Ummm...where is the show ON Networks? Jeremiah turned it in a week ago.
Play Value - Mine!...Gaming and Copyright
It likely that if they don't renew Jeremiah's contract there will be no more Play Value.
Play Value - Mine!...Gaming and Copyright
I just dropped a quick note to whomever receives the e-mail for this website. I doubt it will help if I just do it, but if many of us send them similar messages it might have some impact.
"Can you please renew Jeremiah Black's contract so he can continue to create this fabulous show (the best show found at ON Networks, I might add)? It would be a big disappointment to the fans of the show if ON Networks dropped it from the lineup.
Thank You"
Play Value - Mine!...Gaming and Copyright
We appreciate the quality show. Too bad they hosing you on the renewal (and in turn, hosing all of the viewers of the show).
Play Value - Mine!...Gaming and Copyright
Have they renewed your deal yet? They would be fools not to.
Play Value - Mine!...Gaming and Copyright
Any idea when we can expect this "grand finale" for season 2 of Play Value?
Play Value - Mine!...Gaming and Copyright
1: Hey...you snooze you lose. If those interviewees wanted to be included in this popular show they should've sent their stuff in by now. To heck with them. If they won't send their material in on time then they don't deserve to be featured in your show.
2: How can WE help convince On Networks to renew your contract (other than continuing to spread the word about this show, that is)?
Play Value - Mine!...Gaming and Copyright
That's good to hear (both comments...the new episode and Dan).
Play Value - Mine!...Gaming and Copyright
Thanks Jeremiah. We can live with delays. We all understand that. What we found really irritating is the fact we were completely ignored for about 6 weeks.
If you're going to experience another delay, please just come on here and tell us as opposed to just leaving us hanging for weeks on end.
Keep up the great work!
Play Value - Mine!...Gaming and Copyright
I disagree with that as well. Dan has a good sense of humor and is a great part of the show.
Play Value - Mine!...Gaming and Copyright
Thank you very much for this new episode! As always, we can't wait for the next!
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
Maybe that's because I don't appreciate being lied to. Free or not, it's inconsiderate to lie to people and string them along endlessly.
Maybe you should be grateful for all the complaining. Had we just kept our mouths shut it's entirely possible they would've just dropped the show. By voicing our opinions (which everyone is entitled to, BTW) it shows that this show has a fanbase and we really enjoy the program.
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
I'll believe it when it happens.
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
Thank you for finally replying to us. I really hope that "next" week really means *next* week this time. :-/
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
It's now been 10 weeks. Looks like this show has been abandoned.
So much Jeremiah's comments of "a new episode next week" from about 7 weeks ago and then "we're working on a 30 minute episode."
Apparently Jeremiah just up and lied to all of us here and ON Networks just ignores our e-mails.
What an absolutely shitty way to end an awesome show.
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
Not 7 weeks...it will be 9 weeks as of Friday.
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
Ugh...it deleted the link. Anyways, just scroll to the bottom of this page and click the "Contact Us" link.
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
Everyone, please go to this address and send ONNetworks a quick message asking what's going on with this show. It's the simple fill-in form on the contact page.
Maybe then someone will reply to us and tell us what's going on.
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
Same here.
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
8 weeks since the last episode.
I guess Jeremiah was flat out lying to us when he told us to "expect a new episode next week" three weeks ago. What an asshole.
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
I agree. Jeremiah, if you want to end the series just tell us. Don't keep telling us that you'll put out more episodes when you have no intention of doing so.
We'll of course be upset if you end the show, as it is one of the best available on the subject. If you're going to end the show please tell us, don't just blow us off.
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
I agree...I'm getting tired of coming here to see that nothing has changed. We're coming up on two months since the last episode was posted.
I hope Jeremiah is still alive and well. It seems like he was just hoping to quietly end the show and hoping no one would notice. If you're ending the show Jeremiah, just tell us. Please don't string us along like this.
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
I agree with that. This two-month drought is starting to get irritating.
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
Apparently Jeremiah must be on Mars, because "next week" in Earth weeks came and went a while ago. :-/
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
7 weeks and counting
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
It's now been 20 days since we were told to expect a new episode in 10 days. Why does it seem like this show has been abandoned. *sniff*
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
WTF is going on here?
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
Is there anybody out there?
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
6 weeks and counting. :(
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
Same every-other-week schedule for the new show?
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
10 days from Jeremiah's last post. Is he ignoring us? :-/
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
5 weeks & counting :(
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
Ten more days?!?!? What happened to every other week? I need my Play Value fix! :)
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
Bueller?!?!
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
A month without a new episode. *sniff*
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
Jeremiah,
We're coming up on 4 weeks since this episode was released. Any idea when we can expect to see the next episode?
Thanks.
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
It doesn't cost one penny for Jeremiah (or anyone associated with this show really) to come on here and tell us if they are having problems. There is no need to be specific if he doesn't want to be. To COMPLETELY IGNORE us is just plain inconsiderate.
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
9
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
Re-designing the site doesn't make up for the fact that we've been ignored for 9 weeks.
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
9 Weeks and counting.
Play Value - SEGA Dreamcast
I sent an e-mail to OnNetworks about a week ago and haven't heard anything from them either. What a shady site.
Play Value - The Two Johns
Itching for a new episode, Jeremiah! :)
Play Value - The Two Johns
There was a three week drought before the Women & Gaming episode. Hopefully they're getting back to the bi-weekly schedule. :)
Play Value - Women In Gaming
YAY! New episode!
Keep them coming...they're the best shows on the internet.
Play Value - Gaming Mascots
Hi Jeremiah
This is a wonderful series. I'm new to this site so I was wondering how often we can expect new episodes?
I read a comment on another episode that it is weekly however it's been a couple weeks since the "Gaming Mascots" episode went up.
Keep up the great work!
Play Value - Gaming Mascots
Thanks man...definitely looking forward to each and every episode!
Comedy Insider - Taking It To Television
Jeremiah Black, if you're over here please go to the Play Value page and tell us what's going on. We are all wondering what has happened to the show.
You told us almost a month ago to expect a new episode "next week." Ever since then we've heard nothing.
Is the show canceled? Are you ok? What's going on?